As I've pointed out before atheist high priest
Richard Dawkins has famously said,
"The Universe we observe has precisely the properties we should
expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no
good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference."
Given that I've often wondered why
atheists care what I say or what I write about? If I'm wrong, it's not
evil (there is no evil) and doesn't matter (there's no meaning or
purpose). (But if I'm right, as Pascal has pointed out in his
wager,
and they continue in their atheistic ways, when their time comes, there
will be
literal hell to pay. Isaiah 66.24)
But for some reason, though their
worldview should tell them what I say doesn't matter, they like to
comment on what I say. Much of what they say are easily ignored
ad hominem attacks
that only prove they can't address what I write about with reason or
science. So they resort to attacking me instead of even attempting to
address the points I make. But sometimes they make claims about
science and faith that, as I've written about throughout this blog, are clearly and obviously
wrong. And occasionally they'll write something that is so obviously
wrong it's laugh out loud funny.
That is a case with a recent response
to
this article. The tweet by this atheist troll is so clearly and
obviously wrong I had to laugh. I had already pointed out why in the
article, but I suspect most trolls never read the articles, they simply
respond tweets, which only carry headline-type info to pique interest.
But it occurred to me the troll who sent it apparently actually believes
it to be true. Worse, such trolls may deceive some innocents into
believing their foolishness is true. So for the sake of believers who
need to know the truth I thought it would be helpful to respond to this
one since it is so obviously wrong and easy to refute.
Having a clear view of what is being discussed
will be key to understanding why the troll is so obviously wrong -
laughably so. That
will require definitions. But before we get to the definitions, let me
show you the response about macroevolution that made me laugh:
So this atheist claims:
Macro-evolution has been observed
and
It has been observed in the
following places:
Fossils
DNA
"In real time"
Macro-evolution is just lots of
micro-evolution.
Okay, so let's start with the needed
definitions:
Defining the Terms
Observation:
To observe something, particularly in science, you must witness the item
in question from beginning to end. You cannot, for example, see the last
second of a decade long event and claim you "observed" it.
The Scientific Method:
Among other things, the scientific method requires direct observation,
and the ability to test what is observed. Without observation and the
ability to test a hypothesis, the theory or hypothesis in question
cannot be called "science." Science is not like a ball game where the
only thing that matters is the final score. Since scientists make claims
about what happens along every step of the way, for it to be actual
science those steps must have been observed from beginning to end.
Both creationists and secular,
evolution believing scientists acknowledge real science requires
observation.
Here is big bang and evolution
supporting astrophysicist Alex Filipenko
affirming science requires observation and testing.
Here is evolution supporting biologist P.Z.
Myers agreeing that science requires observation.
Of course creation scientists agree
that observation is required for science as well. Here's a
sample.
MacroEvolution
As explained in the article the troll
is responding to, macro-evolution refers to large scale changes
described as "molecules to man" evolution in the article. In the video
with P.Z. Myers, Ray Comfort refers to it as a change in kinds, like a
change from dinosaurs to birds, or land mammals to whales - both of
which evolutionists claim happened.
The popularly cited Darwin's finches is
an example of variation - or microevolution, not macroevolution. The
finches are still finches.
Darwin's finches - an example of
variation (microevolution)
Following is a picture of Dawkins talking about supposed whale
evolution. Had it happened, it would be macroevolution (going from a
four legged mammal the size of a sheep to a whale), but (spoiler alert)
notice the timeline - which is the failure for all claims of
macroevolution being observed. What human was there 55 million years ago
to observe it? (See the time line below.)
Dawkins on supposed whale evolution over 19 million
years
The Evolutionary Time line
Key to claims regarding observation is
the evolutionary timeline. We'll use
this diagram as a reference for the
evolutionary timeline. Let me identify a few reference points: (ybp=
years before present)
Modern Man (Homo Sapiens) 200,000
ybp
Austrolopithicus Afarensis (Lucy) 4
million ybp
Protoprimates 65 million ybp
To answer the question above on who was
there to see whales evolve (supposedly) - that would be no one - modern humans didn't
even exist at the time according to evolutionary theory.
Refuting Spurious Evolutionary Claims
Has MacroEvolution Been Observed?
Let's start with the claim that macro-evolution has been observed. For
that to be true, some person would have had to been around for the
entire time it was happening and would have had to watch it happen. I
highlighted four million year old Lucy as an example, but since modern
man is the most recent thing to emerge on the
chart I could have picked anything before modern man.
Was
modern man there to see Lucy or anything else evolve? No, of course not.
Modern man, according to evolutionary theory, did not exist at the same
time as Lucy - or anything else before him - so he could not have
observed macro-evolution happen. Clearly, macro-evolution has never been
observed.
Has Macroevolution been observed in
Fossils?
As I point out on my
museum tours fossils don't come
with little tags telling you how old they are. And radiometric data
won't reveal those dates either as explained
here. For this point I'll add they also don't come with little
movies to show you what happened to the creature that caused the fossil
to be created (in most cases that would be the
global flood), and they certainly don't come with something like a
time-lapse video to depict the macroevolution that supposedly happened
to create the creature that left the fossil in the first place.
As Ken Ham points out - fossils exist
in the present. And just as age is not a property that can be measured
by tools, evolutionary history is not something that can be observed
from bones that exist in the present. Any guesses based on homology are
just that: guesses. Aside from the point we've been making in this
article - that such supposed evolution has never been observed, see
this article on why such story telling is not science, but rather
merely guessing.
Has Macroevolution been observed in
DNA?
Watson and Crick discovered the double
helix structure of DNA in 1953. Prior to that the complex molecule was
discovered in 1869.
Is it possible to observe a process that takes millions of years to
complete, when you have only had an understanding of the structure of
what you're observing for less than 100 years? Obviously not.
Any macroevolutionary changes that
anyone thinks they see in DNA has not been observed happening. DNA has
not been known for the required amount of time much less observed. And
humans have not existed for that amount of time to do the observing.
Thus any such claims that "macro-evolution has been observed in DNA" are
deceptive and are made on the basis of uninformed guesses and story
telling based on a secular world view.
Has Macroevolution been Observed in
"Real-time"
If you've read the article this far,
you know it is impossible for macroevolution to have been observed in
real time. If you've been skimming the article, please read from the
definition of "observation" down to this point to see why it is plainly
obvious that macro-evolution has never been observed, much less in
"real-time." Also please be careful to distinguish macroevolution from
variation (microevolution).
Is Macroevolution just lots of
"microevolution?
I dealt with the differences between
microevolution and macroevolution at length in my article:
Microevolution: Dispelling the Myths and Misconceptions. The
short answer is no, macroevolution is not just a lot of microevolution
(variation). Let me highlight a couple of points here:
Another evolutionary high priest -
Theodosius Dobzhansky - recognized the problem of equating
macroevolution with variation (I'll keep repeating that variation is
microevolution to help people remember). He did so anyway,
invoking the logical of fallacy of an
argument
from ignorance in so doing. Thus all who argue the same
equivalence are making the same logical error. So much for
evolutionists arguing from superior reason.
For macroevolution to occur would
require a change in body plans. Philosopher of biology Paul Nelson
makes a strong case for why macroevolution cannot occur based on the
impossibility for body plan changes to occur without killing the
creature before the change is complete.
“Research on animal development and macroevolution
over the last thirty years – research done from within the
neo-Darwinian framework – has shown that the neo-Darwinian
explanation for the origin of new body plans is over-whelmingly
likely to be false – and for reasons that Darwin himself would have
understood."[1]
Paul Nelson
Assessment
Not only is the claim "macroevolution
has been observed" wrong, it is clearly and obviously impossible. Anyone
who understands how science is conducted and understands the terms
knows observing macroevolution is impossible. Further, anyone who
knows that science requires observation - from beginning to end,
and also knows that macroevolution is impossible to have been observed,
yet continually makes such claims is obviously being deceptive.
Scientific claims not based on observations are not science and are thus
by definition deceptive
People who continue making such claims
are either ignorant of what they speak, confusing
variation(microevolution) which has been observed with macroevolution
(large scale changes such as land mammals to whales evolution) - which has never been observed;
either that or they are being willfully deceptive.
For those doing so willfully, why would
evolutionists continue to make such obviously deceptive claims? Likely
for the same reason they create frauds like
Piltdown man,
Haeckle's embryos and
Archaeoraptor - because there is no evidence for evolution since "In
the beginning, God created." (Gen 1.1) So they have to make up evidence. And
since the evolutionary worldview denies morality exists, clearly they
have no problems with perpetrating such deceptions.
So here are three take-aways from this
discussion:
Science without observation is
deception
Macroevolution has never been
observed, and is impossible to have been observed
Don't get your morality (or
science) from those willing to use deception (or
from atheists).
There's just one final question for the
atheist troll who prompted this discussion:
Are you so ignorant of evolutionary
teaching that you don't know the difference between variation which has
been observed, and macroevolution which has never been observed, or do
you know the difference, and prefer to be willfully deceptive?
1.
Paul Nelson, Ref. From Meyer, Stephen C., Darwin’s
Doubt – The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent
Design, New
York: HarperOne, 2013, p. 264
A Summary of the challenges to
the creation of new body plans Nelson points out:
"1. Animal body plans are built in each generation by a stepwise
process, from the fertilized egg to the many cells of the adult. The
earliest stages in the process determine what follow.
2. Thus, to evolve any body plan, mutations expressed early in
development must occur, must be viable, and must br stably transmitted
to offspring.
3. Such early-acting mutations of global effect on animal development,
however are those least likely [emphasis his] to be tolerated
by the embryo and, in fact, never have been tolerated in any animals
that developmental biologists have studied."
p. 262
Thus Nelson states:
"If the only kind of mutations that can conceivably produce enough
morphological change to alter whole body plans never causes
beneficial and heritable changes, [emphasis his] then it
is difficult to see how mutation and selection could ever produce new
body plans in the first place."
p. 263