Atheist Meme Mistakes: Morality and Sin

Atheist meme mistake: Atheists are illogical about morality and sin

Many atheists proclaim themselves to be bastions of reason and logic. They consider themselves to be free thinkers who are correct in their rejection of God. They believe themselves to be superior in their thinking when it comes to matters concerning God. That’s ironic since it can be easily demonstrated that 1. Many atheist claims are illogical and 2. an atheist cannot live consistently within an atheistic worldview.  Since many will miss this second point, let me emphasize it by repeating it, atheists cannot live consistently within an atheistic worldview. In fact, no one can live consistently within an atheistic worldview. That is a sign that the atheistic worldview is not true.

Case in point: memes on morality and sin. They are problematic for atheists, though atheists apparently have not realized that yet. Let me explain why.

One of the proofs of God that Christians offer is the proof from morality, which can be stated as follows:

Major premise: If God does not exist, then objective moral values and duties do not exist.
Minor premise: Objective moral values and duties do exist
Conclusion: Therefore God Exists.

I will not expound or defend the argument here, I’ve previously done that in the article The Moral Argument – Revealer of Hypocrites which you can reference for further background. Here let me just note that for many the moral argument is one of the more powerful and persuasive of the arguments for the existence of God because everyone recognizes that we as humans are moral beings with moral obligations. How then do atheists, with all their presumed reason overcome this argument? They use their favorite tactic: denial.

Atheists deny that morality is related to God. Alternately they deny the related concept of sin. In denying sin they deny that a moral failing can lead to culpability, but in so doing, they also deny good and bad, right and wrong exists.  Before we get to the contradiction here are some atheist memes that express these denials:

Atheists on Morality:

“Atheists believe morality to be a uniquely human trait
Therefore, we conduct ourselves ethically for it’s own sake. We seek no reward for ourselves nor punishment for others”
https://i.imgflip.com/jf1mr.jpg

This one features the oft-used picture of Leonardo DiCaprio in formal dress, wine glass raised in a toast with a knowing smile on his face.
Notice that in addition to assigning the root of morality with humans, not God, there is also an attempt to impute altruistic motives to atheists. An inconsistency in their world view we’ll come back to.

Here’s another:

“True Morality is doing what is right without the threat of divine retribution nor the possibility of divine reward.
— Arthur Paliden”
http://dld.bz/hpNXh

Note once again the appeal to altruism. Before providing an individual refutation, let me demonstrate that atheists are inconsistent with their worldview by contrasting these with memes on morality with atheist memes that deal with sin.

Atheists on Sin:

“You can’t sin if you don’t believe in God.”
https://i.imgur.com/riMppk7.jpg

In the background on this meme is a man with a knowing smile, pointing to his brain in an “I’ve outsmarted this one” fashion.  Next, another denying the reality of sin:

“Sin is an imaginary disease
Invented to sell you an imaginary cure”
http://dld.bz/hpQ59

In the background in this picture is the Holy Bible, implying the writers of the Bible merely invented sin to sell you on its cure: Christianity. So there you have atheist reasoning on morality and sin. Now let’s look at the problems.

Problem 1: The atheist understanding and approach to morality and sin is contradictory and cannot be lived

This should be readily apparent by now. On the one hand atheists say they’re such good people, they don’t need promises of reward nor the motivation from avoiding punishment to be moral. They do it for its own sake.  In order to do so, you must recognize what’s “right” and what’s “wrong”; what’s “ethical” and what’s “unethical”; what’s “good” and what’s “bad”.   The first problem is – if that’s true – if they can recognize right from wrong, then they recognize sin.  After all one definition of sin is:

 “Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.”
(James 4:17)

So if atheists claim they can be moral and do good, then they know the good they ought to do. They also know what is required to avoid sin. If they know what’s required to avoid sin they also know what sin is, because you can’t avoid something you’re unaware of. But how can they avoid something that doesn’t exist? If sin is just “imaginary”, something that disappears in a puff of smoke when you disbelieve in God, how can you avoid it?  So either sin exists and they can be moral by avoiding it; or sin doesn’t exist, and they cannot be moral because there is no such thing as “morality.” If there is no such thing as sin, and thus no right and wrong, there is also no morality, and thus they can’t be moral people. I noted above an inconsistency with grounding morality in humans.  If there is no morality, you can can’t ground it in anything – whether God or humans. So either both morality and sin exist; or neither morality nor sin exists.  They can’t have it both ways – as these memes claim.

Which is it? For atheists to be consistent with their worldview, they must take up the approach of atheist evangelist Richard Dawkins who affirms that:

The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.[1]

Thus they must take the approach of no morality and no sin. But that is another inconsistency. If there is “no evil and no good” there can be no morality.  So if atheists insist they can be, and in fact are moral people they are denying the required conclusion of atheism: that there is no morality. Furthermore, they are affirming the minor premise in the above Moral Argument for God (that objective moral values and duties exist), thus proving God exists. Another whopping and obvious inconsistency. Even more contradictory,  they live as though God exists – even though they deny him.  A glaring inconsistency and a clear demonstration that as I’ve stated, you cannot not live consistently within an atheist worldview.

If they claim their morality is not based on concepts such as “sin” or “evil” which implies “right” and “wrong” then they’re affirming that there are no moral values or duties, thus they are affirming that “If there is no God…all things are permitted” as Dostoyevsky put it. If that’s true, then if some drug crazed person shows up at their house, ransacks it for money, rapes the spouse, kills the kids, shoots the dog and steals whatever they find of value, then according to their worldview “all things are permitted”, so they have no basis to say anything the criminal did was wrong or immoral. They may not like it, but they can’t say it was objectively wrong or immoral – because according to their worldview – such values do not exist. Now, how many of you believe that if that actually happened to an atheist, said atheist would really be fine with it and believe nothing wrong, nothing immoral happened; that  such things are just the universe being the universe? I submit to you they would feel and express the same violation and outrage appropriate to the situation as any other normal human since we are all moral beings; and in so doing once again prove, though they deny God, they live as if he exists. I submit the only people who can really live as if there were  “no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference” are psychopaths. And such people we lock up and keep away from society once the results of a lack of recognition of good and evil is made manifest.

Problem 2: The concept of “Morality” is inconsistent with Atheistic Ontology

Atheists by definition do not believe in God. And by extension, they do not believe in a non-material realm – no angels, no demons, no heaven or hell, nothing outside of the material realm. If that is true then “morality” does not exist, because morality is a non-material concept. According to atheists, such non-material things do not exist.  If morality does not exist, why are they trying to live according to it? If we’re really just molecules acting according to the laws of physics (determinism), what do values and morality have to do with anything?  Does your toaster care about morality? Obviously not. According to atheists, we have no more of a soul than a toaster. So why care about morality?

We’ve already seen that to be consistent, they can’t claim they want to be moral  because they want to be “good” because according to atheism, there is no good, and no evil, no right and no wrong. So what’s the point of trying to be moral?  People in their right mind don’t try to emulate the morality of their toaster. Why? Because a toaster has no morality. It cannot be moral. By the same token if we are mere material beings, we can be no more moral than a toaster.

On the other hand, Christians try to be moral because we are trying to emulate the God we serve. Scripture tells us:

“Be holy, because I am holy.”
1 Pe 1.16

Christians believe in a soul, and a holy God who created a universe infused with his morality. Thus it makes sense for the Christian. But for the atheist  it makes no sense. Some atheists will say they try to be moral because they don’t want to be caught doing something society considers evil and go to jail.  Okay, that just means for the atheist, you do your evil so as not to be caught.  There is no existential, no ontological reason to be moral and do what’s right:  No holy God you’ve offended (Ps 51.4), no living soul (Gen 2.7 KJV) you’ve harmed. No objective value you’re trying to uphold.  There’s just a collection of molecules you’ve interacted with, and if you do something considered “wrong”, you don’t see it as wrong, you merely have a practical desire to not be caught for what you’ve done to the victim.  Thus the honest atheist should state, “I don’t believe morals or morality exist, I do what I please but I live a moral enough life to stay out of jail.”  That statement in itself proves that morality is inconsistent with an atheist worldview.

Problem 3: A Denial of Sin is just a restatement of the fact they’re atheists

What are atheists saying when they state “sin does not exist”?  Are they saying that evil and wrong doing don’t exist? Clearly not. The first reason, as I pointed out above and as this meme (which shows an atheist who claims sin doesn’t exist, but locks his doors at night) points out, atheists actually live as if sin does in fact exist.  The second reason they’re not saying sin itself doesn’t exist is the problem of evil is for many atheists (and even non-atheists) one of the biggest problems people have believing God exists. (Need I point out that if there is evil, a being with freewill had to sin to commit the evil act. Your toaster can’t sin.)  The challenge is, if there’s an all powerful, all good God, why is there evil? Why doesn’t he eliminate it? The short quick answer is, if God eliminated all evil right now, there would be no one left on earth. (Mark 10:18).  And it has always been God’s purpose to harvest his people out from the wicked, not simply just destroy all people. (Matt 13.41)  So the claim that “sin doesn’t exist” – logically cannot mean that sin, and thus its results (evil) do not exist. Clearly evil does exist. Every security measure an atheist takes proves it.

What then are atheists talking about? Since they are not referring to the obvious results of sin (evil), they must be referring to the unseen results of unforgiven sin. Indeed it appears what atheists are really denying, is the results of unforgiven sin.  As I pointed out in Hell is for liars the results of dying with the unforgiven sin of believing there is no God (which is a lie), is an eternity in hell.  Atheists don’t like that thought so they simply deny it.  And in so doing they’re really just re-stating what we already know about them – that they deny the existence of God – and what God has clearly said.  It’s not really surprising that those who deny the existence of God also deny the punishment of God upon those who refuse to repent and believe.

But obviously, simply because you don’t like the consequence of a certain belief does not make it false. (That fallacy is known as an appeal to consequence.) Some atheists will claim that there is no evidence that anything that Christians believe about God is true. For reasons I laid out in Evidence is for Believers – Not Mockers, I’m not going to providing any evidence here. Instead, I simply leave atheists (and all unbelievers) with this warning from God.  Jesus said:

“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.”
John 8.23-24

As I said above, if you “die in your sins” with unforgiven sin, you will spend an eternity in hell, alone and in darkness (Matt 22.13). But here’s the good news. You don’t have to. All you have to do is repent and believe the good news[2]:

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
John 3.16

That, my dear atheists, is the truth known as the gospel. Believe it or not at your own peril.

Duane Caldwell | February 1,  2019 | Printer Friendly Version

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Notes  

1. Richard Dawkins from River Out of Eden (1995) ref from: Wikiquote, accessed 3/30/2017
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins#River_out_of_Eden_.281995.29
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2. “Good news” is a more literal translation of the Greek word translated “gospel” in older translations such as the KJV. (Compare Mark 1:15 NIV and Mark 1:15 KJV)
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Richard Baggarley
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Great article!

(In the first note Richard Dawkins’ surname is misspelled.)

Cowboy Bob Sorensen
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Some very necessary points were made, and some of them I have seen firsthand. It is interesting that atheists take a Saul Alinsky approach by trying to hold Christians to our own standard. One commented to a Christian, “How very Christian of you!” while making a straw man and hasty generalization of his portrayal of Christianity. Meanwhile, they have no absolute standard by which we can hold them accountable! Also, “You can’t sin if you don’t believe in God” is very superficial. It is like saying, “I don’t believe in oxygen” while using it. Oxygen doesn’t care if someone believes… Read more »